Posts by Joe Grundy

Mouthy

by Joe Grundy in

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grace:.

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you have a pm..

Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection ? Not. Check this Out !

by flipper in

these quotes and excerpts i'm going to post here come from the " jehovah's witnesses - office of public information " from their website as it was posted on 12/2/07.

my wife and i have a lurking witness friend who sent us this information as she is very pro-active trying to fight child abuse from within the organization itself !

so get your barf bags ready- you are going to need them to stomach this " official policy " garbage from the wt society.

Joe Grundy

I'm sorry, I haven't read all this thread yet. The first paragraph of the 'Official Dub Instruction' in the opening post was enough to make me respond.

It says, if I understand it correctly, that on receipt of an allegation of child abuse, Dubs interview the alleged offender and the victim, and if the alleged offender denies it, put them face-to-face.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

There is a well-defined and universally-recognised way of dealing with child abuse allegations throughout the western world - whichever agency receives the report (e.g. school, doctor, social services, police, etc.) and the Dubs don't figure in it. Unless of course a Dub is the person who receives the initial report, in which case their only role is to immediately pass it on to a proper authority then stand aside.

Before I retired I did, sadly, have to deal with many cases of child abuse. Had I ever come across a case where a Dub had acted as in this directive then he would have had a 100% chance of being arrested and a good chance of being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice or a like offence.

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"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

by yourmomma in

have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?

its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .

if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?

Joe Grundy

Gayle: I can only hope so.

This is not the place for 'war stories' but yes, I did deal with murders which had their origins in 'minor domestic abuse'. And I don't share my experience as a victim lightly.

This is a deadly serious issue, and it deserves to be raised again, and again, and again until the message is driven home. Abuse is not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

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"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

by yourmomma in

have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?

its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .

if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?

Joe Grundy

I whole-heartedly endorse everything said by MMXIV.

Support systems are in place and are there to be used - and they range from the immediate to the long-term.

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Time Goes By - UK Cops

by Joe Grundy in

as some know here, i am a retired cop (30 years).. .

i am a member of narpo (national association of retired police officers) - uk.. .

it seems that hardly a day goes by without an e-mail from my regional branch with details of yet another brother or sister officer who has died.

Joe Grundy

She's fine AFAIK - she's still in touch with some of my family on FB. Moved on well, I think.

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Time Goes By - UK Cops

by Joe Grundy in

as some know here, i am a retired cop (30 years).. .

i am a member of narpo (national association of retired police officers) - uk.. .

it seems that hardly a day goes by without an e-mail from my regional branch with details of yet another brother or sister officer who has died.

Joe Grundy

James:

Yes, it probably was. She came for a visit to UK.

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Time Goes By - UK Cops

by Joe Grundy in

as some know here, i am a retired cop (30 years).. .

i am a member of narpo (national association of retired police officers) - uk.. .

it seems that hardly a day goes by without an e-mail from my regional branch with details of yet another brother or sister officer who has died.

Joe Grundy

As some know here, I am a retired cop (30 years).

I am a member of NARPO (National Association of Retired Police Officers) - UK.

It seems that hardly a day goes by without an e-mail from my regional branch with details of yet another brother or sister officer who has died. Not so many in the line of duty (this is the UK) but within a very few years of retirement.

Do we all just get so worn out by the shit we dealt with that we can't take it any more?

Me, I do my best to move on but I know of colleagues that can't.

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are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

by mP in

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i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

jehovah this and that .

at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

Joe Grundy

Grace:

You have a PM

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are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

by mP in

jw
friends

i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

jehovah this and that .

at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

Joe Grundy

Mouthy:

Grace - big hug to you. Not your fault, rather the fault of this wacko cult so many were ensnared by.

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are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

by mP in

jw
friends

i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

jehovah this and that .

at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

Joe Grundy

As someone who never was a dub (but has sympathy for those who were/are) I'm sorry to have to tell you this from my perspective in the UK.

Dubs who come to the door are generally regarded in the same light as the cold-callers who want you to switch energy-providers or try to sell you over-priced domestic goods. In other words, a nuisance to be dismissed politely (or not, depending on your mood). About the same level as 'harmless' e-mail spammers, not quite so bad as the West African spammers who want to give me £50m. About the same as flies/midges who pester you on a summer evening.

Dubs like to think that they are hated and persecuted but in fact the opposite of love is not hatred but apathy.

Most people I know are completely apathetic about Dubs. Those who know anything about them, or who have engaged with them (only to rapidly disengage when they realise Dubs still teach Adam was created about 6,000 years ago) tend to have bemused pity for them. Those who know nothing about them tend to lump them in with the other American weirdo religions they've seen on TV (Westboro Baptists, Mormons, First White Southern Baptist Latter Day Church of Mississippi, United Snake Handlers of West Virginia in The Name of the Nazarene, Reformed Disciples of the Holy Mount etc. etc.)

So no, the Dubs are not despised. At best they are tolerated with a bemused smile, probably politely because we are Brits, after all, but with as little understanding or interest as Buddhists who want to explain why their particular brand of Buddhism is best. Complete disinterest, in other words.

Sorry, Dubs, I'm not interested enough to hate, despise or persecute you.

PS: Edited to say I made up some of those weirdo religions - but I'm sure there are others just as weird I didn't think of.